Episode 60 – Using Technology and Vision to Provide the Best Customer Experiences

Join us as we discuss: how one company used a modern vision to disrupt a centuries old industry, how technology makes it easier to listen to the voice of your customers, and how a credit card company optimizes for cardholder choice and convenience. 

Glasses, Voices, and Choices. Oh my!

[Dissecting the Experience] The Warby Parker Experience [1:27 – 11:13]

The experience of purchasing a pair of glasses has changed dramatically in the almost 30 years since Joey last owned a pair! Warby Parker provided great customer service while Joey and his family shopped for new glasses. From taking care of Joey and his wife as they selected their frames, to providing coloring books to his children to keep them entertained, the experience was thoughtful and remarkable every step of the way. In fact, the customer experience extended beyond the sale to the delivery and packaging of the newly purchased glasses.

What I love is that from the first touch point until the last, the experience has left me excited and happy. ~ Joey Coleman

  • Warby Parker is focused on the front end retail experience of selling eyeglasses to customers, whereas most optometry offices typically treat selecting frames as a secondary function of their business.
  • The employees at the Warby Parker store not only focused on the needs of their customers, but they paid attention to the people accompanying their customers (in this case, the children) creating a remarkable experience for the whole family.
  • The Warby Parker experience stays with you long after the sale, as they print the company story on the glass cleaning cloth that comes with each pair of glasses. This reminds customers that they chose a company focused on providing quality frames without being expensive – a core element of their brand history and mission.
Warby Parker Coloring Book

Warby Parker Coloring Book

Warby Parker Coloring Book

Warby Parker Coloring Book

Warby Parker Coloring Book

Warby Parker Coloring Book

Warby Parker Glasses Case

Warby Parker Glasses Case

Warby Parker Glasses Case Message

Warby Parker Glasses Case Message

Warby Parker Story on Glasses Cleaning Cloth

Warby Parker Story on Glasses Cleaning Cloth

[Say What?] Silence is Golden [11:35 – 19:35]

A recent study released from the Sitel Group finds that the amount of silence in call center recordings is an excellent indicator of understanding between a customer and the call center agent handling the call. In order to determine this, Sitel uses advances in technology and custom call recording software (CallMiner), to capture speech and perform high level analytics. CallMiner has the capability to analyze 100% of call recordings in an organization, and the data it provides allows managers and companies to improve their call center training – improving their overall customer experience in the process.

I don’t believe that technology and robots are going to take over call centers entirely and I think the reason for that is that there are so many people that still want to talk to humans and have a human experience. But what computers can do is really help assist the human. ~ Dan Gingiss

  • CallMiner allows companies to monitor and evaluate 100% of calls, saving valuable time and resources across the organization.
  • By utilizing the information gained from CallMiner, up sell rates increased by 37%, average hold time was reduced by 10%, and performance against service goals rose from 79% to 130%.
  • The CallMiner technology can determine escalation, empathy, and polite language queues to get a better understanding of each individual call center agent. This allows an organization to determine which agents are best qualified to take care of certain types of calls and callers.
Sitel Insights

Sitel Insights Chart

Quality Automation Chart

Quality Automation Chart

[This Just Happened] Answer Customers Questions Before They Even Think of Asking Them [19:49 – 29:31]

In a recent interaction with American Express, Joey called in to report his card lost and request a replacement. As a longtime customer of the company, there were many updates and features that had been implemented that he didn’t know about – until reminded by the customer service agent. While Joey received “good” customer service, the call center agent did not offer these newer services that would save time and headache – until Joey specifically asked for them. A well informed customer service agent that can offer solutions to problems before a customer asks about them eliminates pain points and creates an easy and remarkable customer experience.

An opportunity for many companies is just going that extra step to anticipate all the things that are going on for that customer when they call in with a need. ~ Joey Coleman

  • American Express missed an opportunity to reduce customer pain points by offering to automatically forward subscription based payments to the replacement card they were sending to Joey – something they could have anticipated would be interesting to Joey given his charge history.
  • American Express does remove customer pain points in other ways – such as allowing customers to close accounts without being transferred to customer retention agents.
  • Other credit card companies like Capital One and Discover help reduce potential issues when customers lose their cards by allowing the customer to lock and unlock their card’s functionality when they lose and recover their cards.

[Three Takeaways] Questions to Consider for Episode 60 [29:51 – 31:38]

  1. Is every phase of your customer journey filled with remarkable moments? From the first exposure to your product or service offering, are you committed to creating a remarkable experience? Do you consider your primary and secondary customers? Does your packaging continue your brand’s story as your interactions with customers become more passive or secondary? How can you “Warby Parker-fy” your customer journey to create magical moments every step of the way?
  2. Are you really listening to your customers? Are you taking advantage of technology and tools like CallMiner to record, transcribe, and analyze the phone conversations you have with your customers?
  3. Are you considering what your customers might want if they knew to ask for it? Do you have offerings, capabilities, and functionalities that are available to your customers if they ask – but not otherwise offered? Why are you holding back? How can you anticipate what customers might need and ask them about it before they ask you? Is there a way to introduce new capabilities by making it part of the onboarding process? What can you do to serve your customers even better by stepping into their shoes and anticipating the things they might not ask for themselves?

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Episode Transcript

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Welcome to Experience This – where you’ll find inspiring examples of customer experience, great stories of customer service, and tips on how to make your customers love you even more. Always upbeat and definitely entertaining, customer retention expert Joey Coleman and social media expert Dan Gingiss serve as your hosts for a weekly dose of positive customer experience. So, hold on to your headphones. It’s time to Experience This!


Dan Gingiss: Get ready for another episode of the Experience This! Show.

Joey Coleman: Join us as we discuss: how one company used a modern vision to disrupt a centuries old industry, how technology makes it easier to listen to the voice of your customer, and how a credit card company optimizes for cardholder choice and convenience.

Dan Gingiss: Glasses, Voices, and Choices. Oh my!


Joey Coleman: Sometimes a remarkable experience deserves deeper investigation. We dive into the nitty gritty of customer interactions and dissect how and why they happen. Join us while we’re dissecting the experience.

[DISSECTING THE EXPERIENCE: The Warby Parker Experience]

Joey Coleman: Something happened recently, Dan, that hasn’t happened since I was in seventh grade.

Dan Gingiss: Let me guess you stayed out past curfew.

Joey Coleman: No not at all. That actually happens pretty much every week. No. What happened is I got a pair of glasses.

Dan Gingiss: Oh very nice, Joey, actually got to read glasses too recently. I’d love to hear your story because getting glasses can be quite the experience.

Joey Coleman: It was definitely an experience I haven’t had in a long time. I started wearing contact lenses when I was in second grade and I had backup glasses for many years. But after junior high I didn’t get another new pair until a few weeks ago and as luck would have it the experience of getting glasses has improved pretty dramatically in the last… well let’s just say 30 plus years. I won’t get into any more specifics on age other than that but it’s gotten better.

Dan Gingiss: Yes in 30 years I think the experience has changed quite a bit. And I’m going to ask you where you got your new glasses, but I have an idea just given that your customer experience guy where a guy like you might decide to get his glasses.

Joey Coleman: Yeah. This probably isn’t a huge surprise. But I went to Warby Parker.

Dan Gingiss: Oh my gosh are you kidding me?

Joey Coleman: Shocker! Yeah exactly. So I’ve been thinking about getting glasses for a while. Just even get my eyes a break from wearing contacts all the time and being on airplanes all the time. And I gotta admit the Warby Parker experience was so compelling that while I was in the store I kind of went into the store thinking I’d kick tires so to speak. But while I was in the store I was like I need to get a pair. And what I thought was pretty fascinating is the experience started from the fact that I believe that Warby Parker is set up for success. And what I mean for that by that is that the design of the store contributes to their overall experience. So I don’t know if you’ve ever been in a Warby Parker retail outlet, Dan?

Dan Gingiss: I actually have not. No I’ve seen a Web site only.

Joey Coleman: Yeah so here in Boulder they actually have a physical store. And what’s really cool is it’s designed as a retail space. So prior to this my typical eyeglasses experience had been the add on room at the eye doctor that was clearly an afterthought. That was not set up with any type of merchandising or retailing expertise at all and it was more like, “Hey we have some shelves with some glasses that are basically the same. Just get a pair.”

Dan Gingiss: Was this back in the 1980s?

Joey Coleman: Yeah, back in the day, yeah. And then because like I said I haven’t had glasses in ages. So they also have a great location. It’s right on Pearl Street which is like the main drag in Boulder where everybody goes. We had lunch. We decide to stop by on our way afterwards. Berit, and the boys, and I. And they had this great kind of self-service or assisted service so you can try on the glasses you want or the representative will kind of show you around and help you find glasses they have every style and multiple color combinations easily arranged and searchable by your style or the color. They’ve got round glasses, square glasses, cat eye glasses; you name it they’ve got it all there. And just the whole setup was a very, for lack of a better way of putting it, modern retail experience. So they already had me there.

Dan Gingiss: Yeah it’s funny that you’re describing it this way because I just recently had a retail glasses experience. I think what’s interesting is that this definitely depends on the shopper. So I see what you’re saying that, you know having all those selections and everything is terrific to be right there. I actually found the process recently very overwhelming because I wanted to be like just give me a pair of glasses and I could put on my face and get out of here. And you know and I ended up trying out about nine pairs and the ladies like well we have some over here like no nine will be enough I can pick from nine, you know?

Joey Coleman: Oh that’s so funny. This place had a kajillion pairs and I probably tried on three and I was like, “Yep these are the ones.”.

Dan Gingiss: Wow, see if you know what you want then that’s good.

Joey Coleman: Yeah. Well actually I think it’s I like just to make in some areas just make quick decisions. But what I also thought was great is they acknowledged the customer. And by the customer I mean the fact that I was there getting glasses. My wife is getting glasses but we also had my five year old and my 3 year old. And they were all about entertaining and distracting the kids. We walked in we got the kids. The kids have just had lunch so they’re pretty cool but they’re like oh we’re going shopping for glasses we don’t need glasses, what’s going on? And one of the reps came over right away and said, “Would you like some coloring books?” And they actually had Warby Parker mini coloring books and a bench for the kids to color on some colors. Now. We’ll include some of these in the show notes over at ExperienceThisShow.com. But it was a really kind of easy basic fold out coloring sheet that had a couple different panels. And as a result my kids sat down and colored and my wife and I were free to try on glasses which was awesome. They also made the ordering and up sells really easy. We placed the order in the store with the rep taking us on a tablet, easily sold us to a thinner lens based on the prescription size with what I thought was one of the best lines I’ve heard in sales and while it was like, “Yeah I’m guessing you’re not going to want the Coke bottle glasses, so you want to pay ninety five dollars more to have the thinner glass set that will make them like regular glasses even though your prescription is stronger?” And I was like, “Yes, thank you. I will.”

Dan Gingiss: So we have two varieties today, dorky and not dorky.

Joey Coleman: Exactly you know and I immediately reverted back to you know glasses in grade school and this like my gosh not the thick ones. Yes something thinner and more elegant would be lovely.

Dan Gingiss: That’s great. I love the sense of humor there and sort of the understanding of people’s insecurities around things like that it is kind of nice when, when somebody can kind of just come out and say it how it is, you know tell it like it is. I think customers… I know I do certainly appreciate that, that kind of honesty and being up front.

Joey Coleman: Yeah I agree and it brought a little levity to it and it literally doubled the price of the glasses. And I had no problem with that. I was just like yeah let’s avoid that. But like many times-.

Dan Gingiss: I ain’t paying for dork.

Joey Coleman: Exactly. But what I thought was interesting is like many times we talk about on the show: the sales experience is better than the once you’d become a customer experience. With Warby Parker that is not the case. So we placed the order with the store and they said your glasses will arrive in 8 to 10 days. Good news is they arrived 8 days later. Great packaging. I mean I got the box I knew exactly what it was. Very nicely branded but where it got fun is when I opened up the box it came in. Inside was a glasses travel case, kind of, I don’t know if it’s leather or faux leather but you know kind of a nice touch. And when you open it up on the inside lid it says, “Nice to see you.”.

Dan Gingiss: Aww cute.

Joey Coleman: Right? And they have a cleaning cloth with the Warby Parker story in a hundred words.

Dan Gingiss: A hundred words. Hey you’re the first hundred days guy so you must really like that.

Joey Coleman: Let’s just say it did not go unnoticed. I thought this story was great. So here’s the story. Just a 100 words, right? Once upon a time one young man left his glasses on an airplane. He tried to buy new glasses, but new glasses were expensive. Why is it so hard to buy stylish glasses without spending a fortune on them? he wondered. He returned to school and told his friends, “We should start a company to sell amazing glasses for non insane prices,” said one. “We should make shopping for glasses fun,” said another. “We should distribute a pair of glasses to someone in need for every pair sold,” said a third. Eureka! Warby Parker was born. Now what I loved about this is when you have glasses you’re going to use something to clean them off and if they give you the little cleaning case or the little cleaning cloth most brands will put their logo all over it and brand it. Warby Parker took the time to tell their story. So now every time I pull that cloth out I’m reminded, “Oh these are stylish without being expensive. They’re low price but shopping for them was fun. They also gave a pair of glasses to someone because I bought the glasses from them.” So they reinforced their brand messaging in the packaging and in an element of the packaging which I will continue to keep with me going forward.

Dan Gingiss: Yeah I love that. I love it it’s not in your face advertising. It’s an interesting story in that it doesn’t necessarily feel like they’re trying to sell you on anything. It actually kind of reminds me of a story that I wrote about in my book about a pizza and brewery owner in Indiana called Scotty’s Brewhouse. And Scotty created a card that he asked all of his employees to keep with them at all times and it basically listed all of the kind of beliefs of the restaurant chain; about being nice to people, and about asking the customers if they needed anything more, and whatever. And it was just done in this really nice way. But it was this subtle reminder that was always with them and I think similarly as you say when you wear glasses that cleaner is always going to be with you. So it’s a constant reminder.

Joey Coleman: Absolutely. Now certainly folks, our listeners. I came to the Warby Parker experience a little later than most the company’s been around for a while. I mean it’s over a billion dollar business now that clearly has built a fantastic brand, and reputation, and customer experience in the process. What I love is that from the first touchpoint until the last the experience has left me excited and happy. And in fact I’m going to be able to see new customer experiences so much more clearly now.


Joey Coleman: It’s shocking how often people use 38 words to describe something when two would do the trick. We’re looking at you lawyers and accountants. Words matter. And there is no excuse for trying to hide what you mean. We explore words and messaging in this next iteration of Say What?

[SAY WHAT?: Silence is Golden]

Joey Coleman: As our loyal listeners know, in season three we’re going to be working with our friends at Sitel Group to bring you some fantastic customer experience research and to share some new ideas around brand loyalty and engagement building.

Dan Gingiss: And we’re super excited that our work together is going to culminate with a live audience recording of experience this at Sitel is Empower CX event in Fort Lauderdale, Florida on April 9th and 10th. And we’re excited to take the show on the road and hopefully see you there if you want to get tickets.

Joey Coleman: Folks! Folks, free! The tickets are free. Come hang out with us it will be fun!

Dan Gingiss: Free tickets people! Come to Explore.Sitel.com/ExperienceThis scroll down to the Register Now button on the bottom of the page and you can get all setup. Don’t worry, we will share that link again in the show notes at www.ExperienceThisShow.com Episode 60.

Joey Coleman: Indeed. And by the way if you come not only we get to see a live episode of the show but I’m going to do a presentation, one that I don’t usually do or don’t often do. So it’s about the future of customer experience. It will be a lot of fun. Dan’s going to be doing two breakouts I think. Two different sessions so come hang out with us it will be a lot of fun. But I digress. One of our recent conversations with the team at Sitel was all about how advances in technology are changing the landscape. You know we’ve all heard the oh the robots are going to take all of our jobs. And what’s interesting is that is not Sitel’s philosophy at all. Sitel’s philosophy is we can use technology to actually enhance the work that employees working in customer experience can actually do and the things they can deliver for customers. And in one ways they’ve been doing that is the recording of calls that come into a call center and then using that captured speech from those recordings to do high level analytics. Now not only can these recordings be used for training and educational purposes within the organization, but by applying the Sitel insights and their call miner tool, they actually can do some really interesting high level assessment on the captured data which is what we found interesting about their product and about this offering.

Dan Gingiss: So for example one of the things that they can measure is silence.

Joey Coleman: folks did you see what we did there?

Dan Gingiss: Yeah your podcast app is still working.

Joey Coleman: It was just me that found it humorous. I was like, “Hey Dan, after you say silence let’s be quiet. Yeah. Sorry sorry. Thanks for humoring us.

Dan Gingiss: I can’t believe I agree to that, Joey, but hey. But by measuring the percentage of the call that is silence we can actually measure the level of customer attentiveness.

Joey Coleman: I found this really fascinating. I have to admit because I never thought about measuring the pauses, measuring the silence, and the idea that lots of times when your, because I’ve been in the call center environment, where you’re dealing with an irate customer or even just a customer that’s trying to figure something out and everybody’s talking. They’re talking, the call center reps talking. By measuring silence what Sitel’s actually figured out is that it shows that the things the rep is saying are thoughtful enough that it’s giving the customer pause, or that the things the customers say the rep is being quiet and processing which makes the customer feel like they’re actually being heard.

Dan Gingiss: Yeah I think this is really interesting too, and I want to go back to something you said earlier because I think it’s really important which is that I don’t believe that technology and robots are going to take over call centers entirely and I think the reason for that is that there are so many people that still want to talk to humans and have a human experience. But what computers can do is really help assist the human. And in this case it’s about making the human more efficient and effective at their work which ends up providing a better experience for the customer on the other end. But it’s not meant to become the human or to replace the customer service agent.

Joey Coleman: Indeed and I think where they actually take it to the next level is by being able to do this at scale it allows for better training of the call center reps. So for example one of the abilities that the call miner tool has is to monitor and evaluate 100% of calls. Now this used to be incredibly time intensive and laborious. You had after record the calls and then managers would have to sit and listen and sift through calls. And most companies could never even come close to evaluating 100% of their calls because of the sheer volume. They would have to have as many managers as they did employees to listen to all the calls. But now using analytics they have a much clearer and broader view of the calls than ever before. So it gives them the chance to mine the data (no pun intended call miner) to figure out okay what are the things that are happening within the call and how can they use those things to better train and reinforce certain behaviors, and scripts, and attitudes with their call center reps while also pulling out data on what the customers are saying to be able to identify problem areas or issues that are going on.

Dan Gingiss: Yeah and what I love about that, Joey, is that you know the reason I became interested in social customer service early on was because it was a text based service which meant that it was more easily analyzed than the telephone and it was a lot easier for companies to figure out hey this is a consistent problem that people are complaining about or you know this is something that we’re doing particularly well we should be doing more of it. That’s always been very difficult to do on the phone. And I think that being able to translate what in some cases for a lot of companies can be millions of phone calls a year into text and make it analyzable is so important to finding out why are people calling in order to reduce calls and we’ve talked about this before but one of the best ways to lower your customer service expense is to reduce those customer pain points and to get rid of them. So yes it’s important to handle each customer individually and to solve their problem. But it’s also important to realize that you know for every customer that calls in there’s usually a whole bunch more that are having the same problem and are not calling in. And so going to that root cause and fixing the problem is what really starts to drive the efficiency in the call center.

Joey Coleman: And if your use of the word analyzable in the last section there was an impressive enough, the technology also can figure out escalation language, and empathy, and politeness, and measured these things and track them and figure out like, “Who are the most polite reps in our call center and who displays the most empathy?” And then they can take a sentiment intent and direct specific calls to those reps based on those pre identified skill sets. I mean think about the way this data can be used I mean you can predict churn risks you can predict sales effectiveness you can do a better job of training your reps. I mean this helps the customer but it also helps with the employee experience as well.

Dan Gingiss: And doing this type of analysis works incredibly well and quickly. So we have the chance to check out some of the data from organizations using this tool and they found that with one customer within the first three months of implementation up sell rates increased by 37% while average hold time was reduced by almost 10% and performance against service goals rose from 79% to 130%.

Joey Coleman: Not a bad result from being quiet and just listening better.


Joey Coleman: We’d love telling stories and sharing key insights you can implement to avoid based on our experiences. Can you believe that This Just Happened?

[THIS JUST HAPPENED: Answer Customers Questions Before They Even Think of Asking Them]

Joey Coleman: Dan, I have a bit of a personal question. Are you OK with us talking about a credit card company that isn’t Discover Card?

Dan Gingiss: That’s a great one, Joey. Yes I did work at Discover for almost 10 years. But it is ok for me to talk about other credit cards.

Joey Coleman: It’s like Dan asking me if it’s OK to talk about an airline other than Delta. You know what I mean? We just, we’ve got to get it out there. Well the reason I ask is because I recently lost my American Express credit card. It was not that big of a deal. You know I it was just me it was what it was it was not a big deal at all. And I knew right and I knew it right away and it’s not like it was stolen or anything, but I called in to get a replacement because I like to talk to human beings. I know I’m weird that way as opposed to doing it online. And the rep I talked to is great. They asked why I was replacing the card did I lose it, or was it stolen, or did I think it’s been hacked or compromised. And I was like No, no it’s just you know user error… my own the itiodicy if you will. That’s a beautiful word.

Dan Gingiss: Idiocy.

Joey Coleman: But OK. Well it depends on where you’re from. You say potato I say potato. It’s a Colorado- Yeah let’s let’s not get into that. But long story short, long story short they quickly issued me a new one. There were like no problem we’ll take care this we’ll ship it out. You’ll have it like in two days, superfast. They then offered to stop any charges that might have appeared on my account and I was like great. Really appreciate it. But again wasn’t compromised, wasn’t lost… actually in the interest of full disclosure I didn’t say this to them, but I’ll say this on the show. I think I lost it in the house. I just don’t know where it is like my like my son may have the card. It was no longer where it always was in my wallet and I hadn’t been out using it so I was like I just need to solve this problem. Long story short, I then asked if there was a way that I could keep my monthly bill to’s and subscriptions going because I have a couple of things the auto bill to my Amex, which they said oh yeah we can absolutely do that too. Even though they were pushing me a new number. Now here’s what was interesting. It is awesome that Amex has the capability to do that. That they don’t make me go back and figure out all the places where I have auto subscriptions because this was a card I use for my business. I didn’t have to go back and figure all that out. But the opportunity that they kind of missed I thought was, they could have asked me if I wanted that before I asked for it, and so my big takeaway is having the capability is only part of the customer experience. Making sure that your customers know that you have the capability is the other part of the customer experience. And I think all too often businesses spend a lot of time developing these really cool features and functionalities and capabilities and then they market it and it’s on the website. But if you’ve been a customer for a long time, like I’ve been with AMEX for geez since the 90s, early 90s, I don’t pay attention to the new features they’re rolling out right? I’m a loyal cardholder. I’m not changing. I’m there. So as they’ve added new capabilities, telling me when they’ve got me on the phone in a use case where I might be able to take advantage of one of those capabilities would be a lot better than me having to do a little bit of a fishing expedition to see if they did have it or not.

Dan Gingiss: You know first I can tell you with insider knowledge that that capability is very impressive it’s very difficult to do it seems like it should be easy but there’s so many connection points with different vendors and everybody’s got different systems and point of sale and what have you that it can be quite difficult. So I think it’s great that they’re offering that. And I agree with you that it is an opportunity for them at least on the phone call to have sort of proactively asked you or even just told you hey don’t worry about any recurring bills we’ll take care of it for you and not even have you ask. I think I think that’s a definite opportunity. It’s interesting that you brought up Amex because I actually had a really interesting and very good experience with them as well. Recently, I realized that I had a card that I had not used in a very long time. It was like literally the sock drawer card right.

Joey Coleman: Ladies and gentlemen the Dan Gingiss experience. Dan Gingiss has a sock drawer credit card. That’s your’re a high roller buddy. I love it that’s impressive when it’s your emergency card right. It’s the backup card card.

Dan Gingiss: Not even. It was when I went to the credit card industry I had to get all of the competition and so I probably got an Amex card at some point and forgot to cancel it. In the end it just you know I didn’t use it. So I went online to see if I could cancel it online which is like ha ha. Right. You know like of course the all so that they can cross-sell you and up sell you and convince you not to call. Well I could not believe it but I got to the site and there was actually a choice that was fairly easy to find that was cancel your card. And I was like no way, impossible, this is going to be, like, a hundred clicks. I hit cancel my card. It said, “Are you sure you want to cancel your card?” and I said yes and it said, “OK your card’s canceled.” I was like what?! I don’t have to give you my first born, you’re not going to ask me 50 questions, you’re not going to send me to a retention expert, like nothing. And we’ve talked on the show before about how the beginning of the experience and the end of an experience are so important to how it’s so important to when you end an experience with a customer to still send them away smiling because you know they’re going to come on a podcast and talk about how great you are even though they’re not your customer anymore. And that’s exactly how I felt about Amex I held them in such higher esteem because I just wanted to cancel and they let me cancel. And they didn’t give me any hassle. I thought it was fantastic.

Joey Coleman: Yeah I loved that, I loved that and it reiterates a point that we’ve made on the show before as you said you know folks if they want to leave let them leave. Really they will be happy that you are so gracious. And who knows maybe even talk about it on a podcast. Since we’re talking about credit cards is one more of their credit card thing that I came across not too long ago. My friend Katya Andresen who is the head of customer experience at Capital One was doing a presentation at South by Southwest where she explained that, you know, normally when you get a credit card in the mail it has that sticker across it that says oh call this number to activate your credit card. And the reason they do that is so that if the credit card gets lost or intercepted in the mail nobody does fraudulent charges on your account. What capital one did is they created a tool in their app that allows you to lock and unlock your credit card. So like give your credit card stolen or you fear that it might be compromised or your kids have it in they’re doing charges they shouldn’t you can lock it with the app and then unlock it later. But as a new functionality they were trying to figure out how to get more customers to use this. So what they did is they activated all the credit cards. Then they locked them in the app then they mailed it to the customer with instructions to download the app and unlock it themselves. So they taught the customer how to use the functionality as part of their onboarding process which I think is kind of a nice tie in into all of these things that we’re talking about. It’s like OK how do you create the capability and the functionality, that’s awesome. But then how do you teach your customers about it. Well, make it fun, make it part of the experience, make it part of the operation of the business.

Dan Gingiss: So two things funny about that example. The first is, is that Discover actually came out with that technology first.

Joey Coleman: I knew we’d get back to Discover somehow.

Dan Gingiss: And only because I was there when it happened it was a product called Freeze It. But the other thing is that that’s exactly the technology that you needed when you lost your Amex card in your house.

Joey Coleman: Exactly. And here’s the deal: Amex may have that capability. I just don’t know. And again I’m a loyal customer. I’m a regular customer now and I want to be clear folks who are listening especially some of our newer listeners because we know we’ve got some new folks listening to the show today. We normally only talk about positive customer experiences and I want to be very clear. I love Amex. I’m a loyal customer. I use their card. 99% of my charges go through Amex. In fact, I will throw down Amex even when they say they don’t take Amex just to see if I can get them to take it. Right? I am loyal. I just find that the very best companies are doing great customer experience and want to polish the edges and that’s what I’d love to see is an opportunity for many companies is just going that extra step to anticipate all the things that are going on for that customer when they call in with a need. Try to anticipate the questions or the needs they have before they have to ask for them.

Dan Gingiss: Absolutely in the Cap One example is perfect with that right? Because it’s one thing to tell people that you have this great functionality but to actually almost make them use it in order to experience it for the first time I think is brilliant and they probably have more customers using it than most of their competitors by doing that. So great examples in the credit card industry. One that I love talking about and I think it gives us a lot to think about in terms of, as Joey said, polishing the edges and just looking for opportunities where you can make the experience that much better and that much more memorable.


Joey Coleman: We’ve talked, you’ve listened. Now it’s time to act. There are many things you could do to take what you’ve learned in this episode and implement it. But at times that can feel overwhelming. Instead why not just focus on three takeaways.

[THREE TAKEAWAYS: Questions to Consider for Episode 60]

Joey Coleman: Takeaway #1 – Is every phase of your customer journey filled with remarkable moments? From the first exposure to your product or service offering, are you committed to creating a remarkable experience? Do you consider your primary and secondary customers? Does your packaging continue your brand’s story as your interactions with customers become more passive or secondary? How can you “Warby Parker-fy” your customer journey to create magical moments every step of the way?

Dan Gingiss: Wow we are really creating new words in this episode today. I love it.

Dan Gingiss: Takeaway #2 – Are you really listening to your customers? Are you taking advantage of technology like call miner to record, transcribe, and analyze the phone conversations you have with your customers? The more data you track the more you can analyze. The more data you analyze the easier it is to make fact based decisions on employ performance and customer satisfaction. It also makes it easier to predict what is going to happen in the future.

Joey Coleman: Takeaway #3 – Are you considering what your customers might want if they knew to ask for it? Do you have offerings capabilities and functionalities that are available to your customers if they ask, but not otherwise offered? Why are you holding back? How can you anticipate what they might need and ask them about it before they ask you? Is there a way to introduce new capabilities by making it part of the onboarding process? What can you do to serve your customers even better by stepping into their shoes to anticipate the things they might not ask for themselves?

Dan Gingiss: And those are the three takeaways for this episode.

Joey Coleman: Thanks so much for listening to another episode of Experience This! But before we sign off would you do us a little favor? We’d love to have more people get exposure to the show so that hopefully we can continue our mission to raise the bar on customer experience around the world. To that end, could you share your favorite piece of Experience This! content with a friend, or a colleague, or family member, or on social media so that more people can learn about the Experience This! Show? We’d love it if you could join us in our mission to spread the word about positive customer experiences, and we appreciate you making some time to help us do just that.

Joey Coleman: Wow. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Experience This!

Dan Gingiss: We know there are tons of podcasts I listen to, magazines and books to read, reality TV to watch… We don’t take for granted that you’ve decided to spend some quality time listening to the two of us.

Joey Coleman: We hope you enjoyed our discussions and if you do we’d love to hear about it! Come on over to ExperienceThisShow.com and let us know what segments you enjoyed, what new segments you’d like to hear. This show is all about experience and we want you to be part of the Experience This! Show!

Dan Gingiss: Thanks again for your time and we’ll see you next week for more…

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