Episode 11: How to Delight Customers by Making the ‘Required’ Remarkable

Who says legal disclosures and plane rides have to be boring? Don’t pass up an opportunity to delight customers during everyday interactions.

[Required Remarkable] Finding the Fun in Legal Disclosures [1:21–6:48]

Rather than slap a perfunctory legal disclosure at the bottom of its marketing emails, Malaysian video-on-demand service iflix had a little fun. The result perfectly blended the necessary legalese with the brand’s approachable, humorous voice.

No one wants to read a legal disclosure. ‘Covering Our Butts,’ however, I want to read. 

  • Writing legal disclosures your customers can and will read actually helps your company stay on the right side of the law.
  • Just because a piece of text is legally required doesn’t mean it can’t sound like your brand.

[This Just Happened] Delta Delights Customers with a New Approach to In-Flight Entertainment [7:03–15:06]

Delta has swapped headrest video screens for the Delta Studio app on many of its airplanes, allowing passengers to enjoy movies and media on their own devices. This new approach to in-flight entertainment appears to be a win-win for both the airline and its customers.

Once Delta figures out they can charge for in-flight entertainment, will they? 

  • Delta Studio allows passengers to browse a vast library of entertainment options and enjoy streaming media on their own devices, all for free.
  • The move away from video hardware appears to be a cost-effective move for the airline.

[CX Press] Playing Nice with Robots [15:28–25:25]

How are household AI devices shaping child development? New insights from the MIT Technology Review ponder whether technologies like Alexa and Siri are breeding laziness in today’s kids or teaching them new social rules for communicating with robots.

What will it do to kids to have digital butlers, like Alexa, that they can boss around? 

  • “Growing Up with Alexa” explores how household AI technology might be impacting children’s behavior and social skills.
  • Children speak to AI technologies like Alexa much more conversationally than adults do.
  • Future AI may learn to recognize tone, as well as parse confusing queries and requests.

[Check Out This Number] 86% [25:44–27:23]

According to research from Oracle, 86% of customers will pay more for a great customer experience. They’re willing to spend more on a company known for its consistency and reliability, rather than take a risk with a company chasing the lowest common denominator.

86% of customers will pay more for a great customer experience. 

  • Customers do, in fact, attach a monetary value to excellent customer experience.
  • Slashing prices won’t necessarily attract more business if your service is lacking.

Links for Things We Referenced

Growing Up with Alexa 
Digital Transformation: 3 Areas of Customer Experience to Invest in Right Now from our friends at Oracle CX Cloud – thanks for sponsoring the show!

Episode Transcript

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Dan Gingiss: Welcome to Experience This!


Joey Coleman: Where you’ll find inspiring examples of customer experience, great stories of customer service and tips on how to make your customers love you even more.

Dan Gingiss: Always upbeat and definitely entertaining, customer-attention expert, Joey Coleman.

Joey Coleman: And social media expert, Dan Gingiss, serve as your hosts for a weekly dose of positive customer experience.

Dan Gingiss: So hold on to your headphones—it’s time to Experience This!

Joey Coleman: Get ready for another episode of the Experience This! show.

Dan Gingiss: Join us as we discuss how boring legal disclosure can be fun, how watching movies on an airplane makes the time go by, and how kids will grow up differently with AI.

Joey Coleman: Legalese, Movies, and Saying Please! Oh my!


Joey Coleman: Just because you have required elements of your business, doesn’t mean they need to be boring. It’s time to get creative, have some fun, and make people sit up and take notice. Get your customers talking when you make the required, remarkable.

[MAKE THE REQUIRED REMARKABLE: Finding the Fun in Legal Disclosures]

Dan Gingiss: Joey, if I recall correctly, you used to be a lawyer.

Joey Coleman: Yes, I did. I like to refer to myself now, Dan, as a recovering attorney. The first step is admitting you have a problem, and after that it gets much easier. So don’t practice anymore, but, yes, indeed that is true.

Dan Gingiss: All right, well, as a marketer, I like lawyers.

Joey Coleman: I sensed dripping sarcasm in that comment.

Dan Gingiss: Well, I like them until they make me write these disclaimers and disclosures and all this stuff that’s written in legalese that I don’t understand and I’m pretty sure my customers don’t understand.

Joey Coleman: So you like them until they start doing their job and then it gets annoying?

Dan Gingiss: Kind of.

Joey Coleman: I get. I get it. No, trust me, I understand. At the risk of outing some of my lawyer friends, they often don’t understand the language, the legalese, they write in either, so we’re all in this together.

Dan Gingiss: So, what can we do?

Joey Coleman: Well, I think at the end of the day there is an option of making legalese interesting, and I saw this recently in one of those corporate email disclosures . . . Like if you’re a part of a larger corporation and you send an email, lots of times at the bottom of the email there’s this legalese disclosure that says, “Hey, if this wasn’t intended for you, don’t share with it anybody else,” and “This is a legal document and you’re not supposed to spread it around,” et cetera, et cetera, that kind of thing. But I found one the other day that was really interesting, it came from Malaysian video-on-demand service, iflix. Now, don’t ask me why I know about Malaysian video-on-demand services, but iflix was pretty cool. It starts out and it says “covering our butts.”

Dan Gingiss: Hold on a second, we promised the sponsor that there would be no . . .

Joey Coleman: I know, I know, I’m sorry for the improper language, but I am reading a direct quote so it doesn’t really count as me swearing. It says “covering our butts . . .”

Dan Gingiss: Sounds like a lawyer’s explanation.

Joey Coleman: That is a lawyer’s explanation. It’s really more of an application or an explanation for my family. Sorry that I’m swearing on the podcast. But after that intro, I won’t say it again because you heard it the first time, it says, “We know this email message and any accompanying attachments are full of fun and intriguing stuff, but they may contain information that is confidential and is subject to legal privilege.” In other words, we can tell you, but then we’d have to kill you. Just kidding, Then, it goes on for another paragraph or two all about what you’re supposed to do and . . . I mean, they used the word disseminate and then they define the word disseminate, which I thought was pretty hysterical, and it’s just a really fun and engaging way to make a required legal document something much more interesting.

Dan Gingiss: For the record, your honor, Council thinks that the word “disseminate” is hysterical.

Joey Coleman: Yeah. When they say disseminate (it means spread) as if they have to do define it. I just think it’s great because as we’ve talked about on the show before, sometimes when lawyers get involved or when companies get involved, they write things in confusing fashion that their customers don’t understand and at the end of the day, if your customer can’t understand it, why did you write it that way?

Dan Gingiss: Well, yeah. I think this is a really good example. To me, as a consumer, it actually changes my behavior because normally when I see “disclosure,” I look the other way, but when I see “covering our butts,” I want to read it.

Joey Coleman: Yeah. I mean just the language they use, it’s so more compelling, it’s so much more engaging, and I have to believe . . . It would be interesting to find out how many people actually listened to or read this disclaimer because they were intrigued by the opening lines.

Dan Gingiss: That’s what I think is the coolest part because if you asked, well, why did the lawyers want this in the first place? It’s because they wanted to inform somebody of the fact that this might be confidential, et cetera, and they wanted people to read the disclosure, but, of course, you and I both know nobody reads disclosures, so if by making it fun and by starting it off with “covering our butts”, I’ve now said it twice . . .

Joey Coleman: He just wants to say it so many times in the episode, folks. I’m sorry for those of you listening with children, but that’s okay. No, I mean, I totally agree with you, Dan. I think it’s one of those things where at the end of the day the goal is to have the disclaimer be read, the goal is to have the disclaimer be noticed, and not to get too legal here, there’s an interesting principle of the law that says if you write something that you know no one’s going to read and they’re not going to be able to understand, the courts actually hold that against you. This is a really random provision of the law that most people don’t understand, but if you write something that’s engaging and it’s interesting and it’s compelling and it’s funny and maybe a little cheeky, and for a video-on-demand service, cheeky works. We’ve talked about making sure your brand voice aligns with your overall brand image, this is a perfect example of how you can have fun with something that’s required.

Dan Gingiss: So the next time you have to have some legal disclosure, go talk to your lawyer, sit them down, they’re real people too, and tell them that you want to make the required, remarkable. You want to make it memorable, you want people to actually read the disclosure and you have some great ideas on how to do that.

Joey Coleman: That’s one to grow on, kids. Yes, you heard Dan Gingiss say lawyers are real people too.


Joey Coleman: We love telling stories and sharing key insights you can implement, based on our experiences. Can you believe that this just happened?

[THIS JUST HAPPENED: Delta Delights Customers with a New Approach to In-Flight Entertainment]

Joey Coleman: So I had the opportunity to, yes, you guessed it, be on an airline again last week, flying Delta, and had a fantastic experience because I got on the plane and was a little bit bummed out that it was not one of the newer planes, so it didn’t have the screens on the back of the seats, which I know, Dan, you particularly love, and while I could’ve been bummed out because I was flying Delta, I knew that I was still okay because Delta rolled out not too long ago Delta Studio. Dan, have you experienced Delta Studio by chance?

Dan Gingiss: I have not, but I have experienced a similar feature on another airline.

Joey Coleman: On another competitor, not as cool as Delta’s, I’m sure, but the cool thing about Delta Studio, if you haven’t experienced it, is if you download the GoGo Inflight app prior to getting on the plane, you have the opportunity to access all of the on demand movies, TV shows, games, documentaries, listen to music, et cetera, everything that you could do on an in-seat entertainment system, you can do on your iPad, your iPhone, whatever brand device you’re carrying in your pocket. You can watch these things using the app. So it’s pretty sweet that they allow you to have the great experience of in-the-air entertainment, regardless of where you’re seated in the cabin and regardless of how new the plane is and whether it has all the fancy technology upgrades.

Dan Gingiss: This is a really great addition because it is a lot less expensive. It has to be a lot less expensive for the airline because they don’t have to build all this equipment, which invariably gets out of date because today we’re watching video on certain systems and tomorrow it’s going to be something totally different, so the ability to do it literally in the cloud and also in the clouds . . .

Joey Coleman: I see what you did there, Dan!

Dan Gingiss: Yeah! Thank you. Thank you.

Joey Coleman: So sly. Ladies and gentleman, he’s here all week. Actually, no, the show’s only once a week, so it’s once a week.

Dan Gingiss: But I will be back next week so that’s . . .

Joey Coleman: We’ll be back next week.

Dan Gingiss: But I think it is a very seamless execution and a great way to handle the problem. I do think that airlines are going to figure out pretty soon that they can charge money for this or charge more money for this and that may lessen the experience, because I think then the question will be, “Well, am I willing to pay $9, $10, $15 on the flight to be able to watch movies?” Probably lots of people are, but certainly when a lot of these have been introduced, they’ve been introduced as complementary, and I do think that definitely adds to the experience.

Joey Coleman: Dan, I definitely agree with you that it totally adds to the experience. I’m not as sure that they’re going to start charging for this and here’s why: They used to charge for the movies. If you wanted to watch a movie, at least on Delta, if you wanted to watch the movie, you had to swipe a credit card or put in your information, or they’d make you pay for the headsets. Delta at least has decided, I think, to just give out the headsets for free at least on the flights I’ve been on lately, as well as give you the access to Delta Studio. What I think they might’ve actually realized is the small amount of money they could make by charging people to watch the videos or to watch a movie while they were in flight paled in comparison to having all of their passengers plugged in and happy. I think the thing I’ve noticed the most is the flight attendants don’t . . . I mean, don’t get me wrong, they still do a ton of work, this is not a criticism of the amazing flight attendants that take care of us when we’re in the air, but it seems like the passengers are almost happier. It’s like the passengers are watching a movie, they’re zoned out, they’re probably not as antsy and, I would have to imagine that overall, the blood pressure level on the plane has gone down when everyone’s tuned in to watching a movie or a TV show. Could be wrong, but that’s my gut instinct.

Dan Gingiss: No, I think that’s probably right. I mean, that is what a lot of people want to do on the plane, and so the fact that they can do it, and as long as the Wi-Fi is good that they can watch whatever they want. It really serves the same purpose as the TVs in the back of the seat. It’s just less clunky technology that goes out of date and so it’s a great solution.

Joey Coleman: Yeah, absolutely. And you don’t have to worry if the person in front of you puts their seat really far back that you have to slump lower in your seat to be able to see the TV screen. Now, you can just see it on your phone. I also think that the cool thing about being able to watch it on your phone, or your iPad, and not on a fixed screen is it gives, how shall I say it, a little more discretion for when you’re flying. For example, I was recently on a flight with my entire family and I’ve got a four-year-old and a two-year-old, and they were asleep and I wanted to watch an action film that I knew had a little more violence in it that I would want my boys to be watching, and I have to admit I was a little hesitant to watch it on the screen for fear of that they might wake up and see that I’m in a big conversation there. Maybe that’s a bigger conversation that I shouldn’t be watching those type of movies, but everybody was asleep, it was a long flight. It made it a lot easier to just be able to pull out my phone and watch it on my phone because then I’m in control of the angle of the screen.

Dan Gingiss: You sure you weren’t trying to watch 50 Shades Darker or something?

Joey Coleman: No, no, no, unbelievable, no. Full disclosure, I was actually trying to watch John Wick, the Keanu Reeves movie, which is a little heavy on the violence, so, yeah. I was like, “I heard about this movie. Some people said they enjoyed it. Maybe I’ll watch it,” because that’s also . . . At least for me, flying on airplanes is where I watch movies to pass the time. I really don’t go out watching movies that I really want to see. If there’s a movie that I’m super excited about seeing, I’ll go to the theater, but that’s another thing that I like about Delta Studio is that you have this opportunity to pass the time and maybe watch some movies that you wouldn’t otherwise get exposed to—documentaries, Ted Talks, a number of things that you can use to be entertained while you’re in the air, and it’s like they’re doing the curating for you or at least providing suggestions for you, which is nice.

Dan Gingiss: So we always talk about how the experience that customers have with the brand is really encompassed by every single interaction, and on an airplane, you’re sitting there for a long time, and so it is in the best interest of the airline to make that part of the experience more enjoyable. So to do that and to do that without charging customers is a fantastic addition. And it gets people talking—not just Joey and Dan. It gets real customers talking about their experience on the plane and how much more enjoyable it was.
So as one of the takeaways, I think it’s important that the airlines today are not charging for this because, yes, it can make them some money, it’s probably not a gigantic moneymaker, and what they make back in happy customers is worth far more than the dollar mill.

Joey Coleman: I totally agree with you, Dan, and I’ll say another takeaway for me was . . . The thing I’m buying when I buy a plane ticket is to be able to be put into an aluminum can, basically, thrown through the air at hundreds of miles an hour and go from one side of the country to the other in a much shorter time than it would take driving, or on a train, or on a boat, or any other form of transportation. Delta, their experience though is not just the act of getting you from point A to point B, my goal of buying the ticket, but their experience includes every interaction I have during the time that I’m under their care with them, and that’s why I love this idea of giving your customers a great experience, to keep them occupied, when you’re delivering on the other experience. That makes your employee’s job easier, it makes the overall experience better. Definitely something that every business could look at, what is the hold time or the waiting time while the experience is being delivered and what are you doing to make that experience interesting and exciting and different and remarkable? There’s so many great customer experience articles to read, but who has the time? We summarize them and offer clear takeaways you can implement starting tomorrow. Enjoy this segment CX Press where we review articles so you don’t need to.

Dan Gingiss: Back in episode seven we talked about how Joey’s kids use Alexa, and so this week’s article is called Growing Up with Alexa, so it’s a follow-up. It is by the MIT Technology Review and, specifically, by Rachel Metz. It asks the question, what will it do to kids to have digital butlers that they can boss around? Rachel in this article talks about her niece, Hannah, who is four years old and already really good at using Alexa to play her favorite songs and ask questions to, et cetera, and the question really is whether these types of digital assistants are going to make kids potentially lazy because they don’t have to get up off the couch, they can just ask it questions, ask it to play music, ask it to buy things, etcetera. Or, also, one other potential that it hypothesizes is, can it actually turn your kids into jerks because they just get used to ordering a robot around? So, I thought it was really interesting to think about the childhood impact and the fact that our kids are growing up with this technology that we didn’t grow up with, and this kind of a technology that didn’t exist just a few years ago is totally commonplace to them and so we really don’t know what it’s going to do to them long-term, but it is really interesting to hypothesize. Now, I know, Joey, Alexa is huge in your house, as we’ve talked about before, but what do you think?

Joey Coleman: I absolutely love this article because it got to a key issue that my wife and I talk about all the time, which is teaching our boys to be polite when interacting with AI. I mean, I think as parents, we hopefully are all trying to teach our children to be polite when they interact with other humans to say please, to say thank you, and we’ve really tried to transfer that over to the interactions with Alexa as well. What’s interesting about the research that they talk about in the article is they actually found that with little kids, this is a pretty common thing, kids approach the AI as if it’s a person. They are having those conversations where they’re exploring and they’re inquisitive, I think the technical word is anthropomorphizing the technology, they treat it like an actual human being, but what they also found in the research is that adults are not good at this. That adults—maybe because of tweeting, they hypothesize, or other bad behaviors around using technology—it’s a lot more clipped and direct, and as a result doesn’t have that warm fuzzy feeling of the interaction. I think it’s important to do this because as the AI technology evolves, what we’re going to actually have is AI that is able to interpret tone and nuance. We’re not there yet, but I deftly think that’s where the technology is going, and the article has a tendency to agree. I think as tone and intention and nuance become part of the AI, if you’re barking at the AI, I could see a scenario where the AI says, “Hey, I’m not going to answer that question to you. Speak to me nicely,” which we see humans do, where they just shut down and they’re like, “Well, no.” Right now, a lot of the interactions we have with AI are about trying to learn something, or get Alexa, or Google Home, or Siri, or whichever AI you’re talking to, to actually do things for you, and if we don’t start to build in that politeness factor, I think it’s going to cause problems.

Dan Gingiss: Well, one big difference between talking with the Siri or Alexa and a human, is I can pick up Siri or Alexa and throw them across the room if I don’t like how they respond to me.

Joey Coleman: Fair enough.

Dan Gingiss: I’ve wanted to do that a couple of times and actually—

Joey Coleman: With humans, too?

Dan Gingiss: That’s a different story, but actually another thing that Rachel brings up in the article that I thought was really interesting was that her niece on occasion has had trouble communicating with Alexa because Alexa doesn’t understand what she’s asking, and so what the four-year-old does, which makes a lot of sense, is usually she speaks louder and slower to try to convince Alexa of what it is that she wants, and if it doesn’t work she gets frustrated. So what these MIT researchers suggest, and I think makes a ton of sense and brings us back to customer experience generally, is that Alexa and others could be designed to tell you why they don’t understand something rather than just that they don’t understand so that you can better determine how to get what you want. I think that makes a ton of sense because we don’t . . . Even when you’re talking to a computer on the telephone and you’re sitting there yelling at, “Representative, representative,” and it doesn’t understand you, it’s incredibly frustrating not just because it doesn’t understand you but because you don’t know why it doesn’t understand you. So I thought that was a pretty good insight.

Joey Coleman: I agree. I think there’s two fun things that we can extrapolate out of that: Number one, one could posit that this is actually going to lead to children being able to enunciate and have a broader vocabulary at a younger age. There’s some fantastic research about how the amount of words that you speak and the amount you’re exposed to language, how that contributes to intelligence and development. I actually think there’s an opportunity here with AI as the cost comes down and it becomes more available to everyone, children will be able to interact with the AI, and it’s kind of like being able to talk to another adult in the house even though there may not be an adult in the house, so I think that’s interesting. Additionally, I agree with that idea of the frustration aspect because I have witnessed this. My youngest son is not quite yet two, and we taught him some sign language when he was a baby and what he’ll do is he’ll try to sign with Alexa. He’ll get over close and try to do sign language of things he wants, and he gets a little irritated that she doesn’t understand, and he can’t say “Alexa” but he will get up close to the speaker and kind of squawk, “A-A.” You can tell he’s trying to say that “A” of Alexa because this is the only time he does that particular sound, and it’s funny to watch him working through it. Now, he doesn’t get super frustrated, but my thought is, it may be the case that one of his first words is going to be Alexa because his older brother likes getting Alexa to play music and the boys like to have their dance parties, so I could see the younger brother learning how to say “Alexa” so that he can more easily play music of his desire.

Dan Gingiss: You have now achieved Jeff Bezos’s dream where your kid’s first word is going to be Alexa.

Joey Coleman: This is true. This is true.

Dan Gingiss: Now, one other thing they pointed out for older kids was this question about them possibly getting bossy or bratty just because they get into the habit of ordering Alexa around. They talked with a development psychologist who said this is probably not something to worry about, but she does wonder whether having these digital butlers will reduce kids’ ability to do things for themselves, and I think that is a definite possibility because I already see with my kids that laziness is something that has to be combated quite often with little kids who are prone to shouting from three rooms away. “Can you get me a glass of water?” It’s like, “No, come and get yourself a glass of water.” I know that’s different than having a two-year-old and a four-year-old where you have to actually get them the glass of water, but at some point you get to the point where they’re big enough to do it themselves, and I do think that that to me feels like something to at least watch out for, which is what the psychologist says as well that it’s not some we really have to worry about, but it’s something that we should pay attention to and, especially to see if it extends to other communications besides from the AI.

Joey Coleman: Sure. With a lot of kids being home after school before mom and dad get home, I could see an environment where kids are at home and they’re asking Alexa to do their homework. They’re just reading the questions and Alexa’s responding and they’re writing down the answers, they’re not even reading the assignment. So I do think there’s some things, like most technologies, parents and adults need to pay attention to how the technology is creeping in and influencing their life, but I don’t think AI is going anywhere, I think it’s here to stay and we better start to get used to how to incorporate these things. As a final aside, I’ll say we, in our house, definitely teach the please and thank you’s, not only because we think it’s appropriate for interacting with another person, but when the robots take over the world, we want to make sure that we were the ones that were nice to the robots so that when we become their slaves they remember that we were the ones that said please and thank you.

Dan Gingiss: I love it, the Coleman family will definitely be in good hands. So we want to know from you, do you think digital systems like Alexa or Siri are good for kids? Please go to ExperienceThisShow.com, go to the bottom of the page and click on the Speakpipe widget, which will allow you to leave us a brief message that we may play in a future episode, and in particular one of our segments called Agree to Disagree. So we’d like to hear from some of you who think that digital assistants like Alexa and Siri are good for kids, and we’d also love to hear from some of you who think that they are not good for kids, and we will play your responses in a future episode.


Joey Coleman: Listen in while we try to stump and surprise each other with a fantastic statistic from the worlds of customer experience and customer service. It’s time to check out this number.


Dan Gingiss: Okay, Joey, the number this week is 86%. What do you think that refers to?

Joey Coleman: I’m going to go with the likelihood that the person in front of you will recline their seat back into your lap while you’re flying.

Dan Gingiss: That number for me is usually higher because I always seem to be that unlucky person behind that person. But, actually, it is 86% of customers will pay more for a great customer experience, and this comes from our friends at Oracle CX Cloud. Thanks for sponsoring our show. And their ebook, Digital Transformation, Three Areas of Customer Experience to Invest in Right Now.

Joey Coleman: I totally agree with the statistic, Dan, and I see it all the time in the marketplace. If you deliver a fantastic customer experience, people are willing to pay more because they know it’s be consistent, they know they’re going to get a quality experience and they’re happy to continue to give you business even if you might charge a little bit more than the person down the street. The fact of the matter is you want the customers that are willing to pay for a great experience instead of reducing your prices and reducing your prices and chasing the least common denominator customer. So I think it’s a great statistic. Keep your great service and you’ll have folks there willing to pay more.

Dan Gingiss: Not only that, you’ll actually make more money. Touché. For more great customer experience tips, go to Oracle.com/connectedcx. You can download the ebook that we mentioned immediately and if you give them your email, you can also pick up two additional CX reports. Thank you again to Oracle for sponsoring the Experience This! show.


Joey Coleman: Wow, thanks for joining us for another episode of Experience This!

DanGingiss: We know there are tons of podcasts to listen to, magazines and books to read, reality TV to watch, we don’t take for granted that you’ve decided to spend some quality time listening to the two of us.

Joey Coleman: We hope you enjoyed our discussions, and if you do, we’d love to hear about it. Come on over to experiencethisshow.com, and let us know what segment you enjoyed, what segments you’d like to hear. This show is all about experience, and we want you to be part of the Experience This! show.

Dan Gingiss: Thanks again for your time, and we’ll see you next week for more—

Joey Coleman: Experience—

Dan Gingiss: This!